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Secure links padlock too close
Consider this link: https://www.wikipedia.org. Notice how the padlock (
) is clinging to the link, due to padding-right being 13px, which was fine for the original yellow padlock (which was statically linked). - I just found it being declared in Vector.css (and Monobook.css). I'm going to try something in my own CSS. — Edokter • Talk • 19:14, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Simply adding padding-right 16px; solves the problem. Making the change. — Edokter • Talk • 19:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Surely the distance should be specified in ems, so that it scales with the text? OrangeDog (τ • ε) 21:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- No. The padlock image has a fixed size (16x13), and the default padding is 13px. (Edit:) Besides: IE8 seems to scale the image and padding according to the browser's font size (zoom) anyway. — Edokter • Talk • 22:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- And so does Safari. BTW. it is the yellow padlock that has changed in size (at least for Vector, not sure of other skins). Why the change in size was made, i'm not entirely sure, but probably has something to do with lineheight/font-size. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Over here in MonoBook it's a blue one that has a couple more pixels on the right than the left. (And if you're changing the style of the lock, then it would be
padding-leftyou're after). OrangeDog (τ • ε) 23:06, 30 August 2010 (UTC)- The space to the right of the padlock is whitespace in the image itself; not much can bo done about that (unless you start playing with negative margins). Also, padding-right applies to the link span as a whole (not the image) in order to create space for the image, which is actually a right-alligned background image for the link; so it is the correct attribute. — Edokter • Talk • 12:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Over here in MonoBook it's a blue one that has a couple more pixels on the right than the left. (And if you're changing the style of the lock, then it would be
- And so does Safari. BTW. it is the yellow padlock that has changed in size (at least for Vector, not sure of other skins). Why the change in size was made, i'm not entirely sure, but probably has something to do with lineheight/font-size. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 22:50, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- No. The padlock image has a fixed size (16x13), and the default padding is 13px. (Edit:) Besides: IE8 seems to scale the image and padding according to the browser's font size (zoom) anyway. — Edokter • Talk • 22:02, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Surely the distance should be specified in ems, so that it scales with the text? OrangeDog (τ • ε) 21:54, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Simply adding padding-right 16px; solves the problem. Making the change. — Edokter • Talk • 19:19, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
Emoticon behaving strange
Resolved Here I started a talk about an emoticon
{{:)|devil}}, that put the whole article Bracket into the Talkpage, thereby putting a Userpage in Category. It is solved, but not understood yet. -DePiep (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC) - That code says to transclude the ) article (passing the parameter "devil" as 1=, which will be unused by the transcluded object), which redirects to Bracket. There is no such template named ":)", it is a bad title. Template:=) is probably what they were going for. –xenotalk 14:03, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Interface translations for rollback vs. undo
Where are interface translations set? When language is set to Serbian (and probably others, though problem does not occur for "fr") the "rollback" and "undo" button use the same word sometimes leading to issues (see [1]). –xenotalk 15:36, 31 August 2010 (UTC)- Special:AllMessages when it is wiki specific and on http://translatewiki.net for the software as a whole. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Revision History Search
Resolved I want to be able to search the revision history of an article for a text string. My objective is to find out when the text string was FIRST introduced into the article. I used the "Revision history search" link on the revision history page, which in turn uses WikiBlame, but, honestly, I simply couldn't understand the results. I even looked at the manual and was still in the dark. I posted a message to User:Flominator's Talk page, but I didn't get a response. Does anyone understand how this works? Can I achieve what I want?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:09, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, WikiBlame does what you want. You might need to enable the "force searching raw text" option and may need to check more than the default 50 revisions. Rjwilmsi 16:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, it may do what I want, but I'm unable to use the results. So, I'll break it down. I use the history of the Stephen Breyer article. I click on the search link. I get a WikiBlame form. I use the string "world justice project", which I enter in the Search for text box WITH quotation marks. I change the date to August 1, 2006, because I want to see the first time the string appears. I change the radio button selection to oldest first. There is no "force search raw text" option, only a "force searching for wikitext" option, and I don't know what that means. For the moment, I'm leaving it alone. I've doubled the versions to check from 50 to 100. I click on Start. Here are the results:
- The version history of Stephen_Breyer is being searched for "world justice project" as plain text
- 100 versions found
- Comparing differences in 14:08, 11 April 2006 between 50 and 51 while coming from 99:XX [Search from here]
- Comparing differences in 02:12, 13 May 2006 between 25 and 26 while coming from 50:XX [Search from here]
- Comparing differences in 02:23, 16 June 2006 between 12 and 13 while coming from 25:XX [Search from here]
- Comparing differences in 13:59, 21 July 2006 between 5 and 6 while coming from 12:XX [Search from here]
- Comparing differences in 14:49, 25 July 2006 between 1 and 2 while coming from 5:XX [Search from here]
- What am I supposed to do with these results to see where the string first appeared? I haven't a clue.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- The quotation marks are not necessary, and I guess they may be actually harmful (unless they literally appear on the page).
- Leave the start date as today's date, you are searching from that date backwards. (If you want to search before another starting date, you have to make sure that the string actually appears in the revision you search from, otherwise it will probably fail.)
- The number of revisions of the article (since you want to search the entire history) is much more than 100, so let's raise the number of versions to check to 1000.
- You get:
- Well, it may do what I want, but I'm unable to use the results. So, I'll break it down. I use the history of the Stephen Breyer article. I click on the search link. I get a WikiBlame form. I use the string "world justice project", which I enter in the Search for text box WITH quotation marks. I change the date to August 1, 2006, because I want to see the first time the string appears. I change the radio button selection to oldest first. There is no "force search raw text" option, only a "force searching for wikitext" option, and I don't know what that means. For the moment, I'm leaving it alone. I've doubled the versions to check from 50 to 100. I click on Start. Here are the results:
The version history of Stephen_Breyer is being searched for world justice project as plain text 809 versions found Comparing differences in 18:01, 8 February 2007 between 404 and 405 while coming from 808:XX [Search from here] Comparing differences in 09:54, 28 June 2008 between 202 and 203 while coming from 404:XX [Search from here] Comparing differences in 18:22, 11 March 2009 between 101 and 102 while coming from 202:XX [Search from here] Comparing differences in 13:45, 12 January 2010 between 50 and 51 while coming from 101:XX [Search from here] Comparing differences in 23:25, 19 June 2010 between 24 and 25 while coming from 50:OO [Search from here] Comparing differences in 12:54, 25 March 2010 between 37 and 38 while coming from 24:OO [Search from here] Comparing differences in 15:08, 17 February 2010 between 43 and 44 while coming from 37:XX [Search from here] Comparing differences in 22:50, 23 February 2010 between 40 and 41 while coming from 43:X 0 Insertion found between 17:16, 18 February 2010 and 22:50, 23 February 2010
- You can make some sense of the progress messages if you imagine how the Binary search algorithm works, but the only relevant information you need is the last line, which tells you that the string was introduced in this edit.—Emil J. 17:07, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- And to clarify one thing: the diff found by this method is an edit that introduced the string into the article, but it is not necessarily the first such edit, in principle the string may have been introduced and deleted several times. It is not possible to find the first edit without sequentially checking every single revision of the article until a match is found; you can force this kind of search by checking "Search method: linear" and "Order: oldest first", but you should avoid this unless really necessary as it is a drain on resources and takes a lot of time.—Emil J. 17:17, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The #replace function
It looks like the MediaWiki parser function #replace function does not work on Wikipedia. Is it not installed? Are there any alternatives? I really need this function to create some templatesAny help is greatly appreciated --کاشف عقیل (talk) 18:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- All of the StringFunctions (everything on the page you linked) are not installed due to the performance burden they would add. Prodego talk 19:06, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- I think citing performance in this context is a red herring. Though they could have performance implications, the last serious discussion on the topic I am aware of basically boiled down to: "Template syntax sucks, and we don't want to add anything more to that until we have an alternative." Dragons flight (talk) 19:20, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflictTemplate:Safesubst:) According to the developers string functions are not enabled because they would prefer to embed a real programming language, such as Lua. But they are also not interested in working on embedding a real programming language right now, and any embedded programming language must be able to run securely without PHP extensions or external programs so people running MediaWiki on really crappy webhosting can still copy our templates. This old thread has a humorous summary of the years-long discussion regarding StringFunctions. Anomie⚔ 19:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone for your responses. I had also posted the question at Help talk:Template and someone suggested {{Str rep}} there which solves my problem. --کاشف عقیل (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Solution against the broken external links: archive external links
Since two years, http://wikiwix.com prevents the links on the French Wikipedia from being broken (Error 404). A script add a link to an archived version ([Archive]) of external links next to URLs. Here is the script that need to be added to MediaWiki:Common.js. These days they're proposing to extend their archive free service to us, and it's working on the French Wiktionary. Could we please get a consensus to install it here? JackPotte (talk) 21:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)- It might help if you showed an example of the system in action. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Sure thing. For example, after every link in Parc national Olympique#Notes et références there is an [archive] link. These links are all added with JavaScript.
- Every link on the french Wikipedia is archived in the Wikiwix archive. By default, we chose to display the archive only in the references section because that's where we need them. It was also done to improve performance. The rest of the links can be displayed using a gadget. Dodoïste (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Jack, I think that's a brilliant idea. t would solve some of the huge problems where pages , especially on government sites, are removed because the webmasters beleive they are no longer of interest. We lose a lot of valuable Wikipedia:RS this way, and articles then suffer from dead links. Please consider starting a project page to discuss this. I would imagine it would not be to hard to obtain a consensus.--Kudpung (talk) 03:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Also see Wikipedia:Using WebCite, another web archiving service. Fences&Windows 15:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to search a particular namespace for a specific string?
Is there a way to search a particular namespace for a specific string?For instance, using the search function to look for two words seems to return results for "word1" OR "word 2". What if you want to search for "word1" AND "word 2" or "word1 word2" ? pablo 22:23, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- Hmmm ... Try +Using +Pluses for additives and "quotes for phrases". –xenotalk 22:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
- It does AND by default. You can verify this by looking at the total number of results returned for initial words, and for words together. You can use AND/OR special words with - for NOT. e.g. Special:Search/word1 OR word2 -word3 which will return all documents with word1 or word2, but not word3. --rainman (talk) 12:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Watched pages becoming unwatched
Fairly regularly, I find that a page I'm watching has disappeared from my watchlist. When I realize, I have to view the page and add it again, but by then I may have missed talk/article developments I should have been aware of. Is this a known issue? PL290 (talk) 08:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- I don't believe it has ever happened to me, but I usually have about 5-700 pages on my watchlist. How large is your watchlist? NW (Talk) 11:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- About the same (just over 700 currently).PL290 (talk) 12:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- 5,387 right now. I wouldn't know if it ever happens. :-) Dougweller (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- About the same (just over 700 currently).PL290 (talk) 12:07, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Good thought, but no: I have AWB set to "leave watchlist unchanged", and it appears to abide by that—and I can think of at least one page I've never AWB'd that suffered from the problem just recently. PL290 (talk) 17:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Character set used on zh.wikipedia
I know this Village Pump pertains to en.wikipedia, but my Chinese is too nonexistent to ask at the zh.wikipedia equivalent page: can anyone tell me which character set (i.e. traditional, simplified, or something else) is used on the Chinese Wikipedia at zh.wikipedia.org? Many thanks. Gonzonoir (talk) 11:06, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- That's a user setting, with automatic translation between the different versions. See Chinese Wikipedia. The best places to ask such questions in English are probably Talk:Chinese Wikipedia and Project talk:Guestbook for non-Chinese speakers. Hans Adler 11:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, I see-- cheers for the advice. Gonzonoir (talk) 11:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- The Chinese Wikipedia uses a tab at the top-left corner of the page that switches the text between Taiwan Traditional (two forms, apparently), Mainland Simplified, and less well-known varieties. The actual content of the articles is the same in any character set. Intelligentsium 00:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to make MediaWiki:Longpagewarning appear for every edit?
Is there a change I can make in my vector.css that will cause the notice to always appear? Or in a different similar file? Thanks, meshach (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- Just a note about the question heading. Of course I am meaning MediaWiki:Longpagewarning not the corresponding talk page. I fixed the question heading. meshach (talk) 01:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- In other words: the OP wants the page size to be listed at the top of every page when editing it, even if smaller than 32kb. –xenotalk 17:52, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Won't Jump
Please look at That '70s Show#Running_gags. Note that there are many links to episodes. Each link jumps to the spot on the page where the episode is EXCEPT Street Fighting Man, which just displays the page normally (starting at the top). I don't see anything I've done wrong in how I link to that episode. I've even tried to compare the underlying table code for the season 7 article (Street Fighting Man) with, for example, season 1 (Stolen Car), and I don't see any obvious difference that might make season 7 misbehave. I'm sure it's something very silly I've missed, but I'm tired of staring at it.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- Fixed. Some of the episode templates had non-breaking spaces before the pipe characters, so the link identifiers included the non-breaking space after the episode number. I replaced these with ordinary spaces which get stripped when the page is rendered. — Richardguk (talk) 00:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm very glad I stopped staring at it. What is a non-breaking space? How could I have seen it?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- A Non-breaking space (or a hard space) is a character that prevents two adjacent words' being separated should they happen to lie at the end of a line. This is useful for keeping quantities and units together but can be a problem in cases like this because they are interpreted differently from normal spaces. WikEd or another tool might highlight these, but often you just have to recognize the 'symptoms' of the problem you are having. Intelligentsium 01:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed. I would add that this is not a common problem on Wikipedia, because most non-breaking spaces are encoded in the wikitext as the corresponding HTML Character entity reference
<syntaxhighlight lang=text enclose=none> </syntaxhighlight>. - To help you fix the same problem in any related articles, notice the lines in the wikitext which are marked as having changed with my edit. In each case, there is a character that looks like a space immediately before the wikitext
<syntaxhighlight lang=text enclose=none>|EpisodeNumber2</syntaxhighlight>but previously the character in this position was in fact a non-breaking space. - Ironically, though the character was impossible to see, my web browser seemed to convert it to a space when it displayed the edit box, so I only had to copy and paste the entire text back in and save it again. Or at least, I think that's what fixed it!
- — Richardguk (talk) 03:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed. I would add that this is not a common problem on Wikipedia, because most non-breaking spaces are encoded in the wikitext as the corresponding HTML Character entity reference
- A Non-breaking space (or a hard space) is a character that prevents two adjacent words' being separated should they happen to lie at the end of a line. This is useful for keeping quantities and units together but can be a problem in cases like this because they are interpreted differently from normal spaces. WikEd or another tool might highlight these, but often you just have to recognize the 'symptoms' of the problem you are having. Intelligentsium 01:28, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm very glad I stopped staring at it. What is a non-breaking space? How could I have seen it?--Bbb23 (talk) 00:29, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Question: What sorts of edits result in such drastic increases in page views?
To understand my question, first look at http://stats.grok.se/en/201005/Sony_Dash (page view statistics). So on May 21st I edited and moved Sony Dash from Dash (personal internet viewer). I found pictures on Flickr and added an infobox. Out of curiosity I checked the pageview stats, and was surprised to see that starting that day the page views went up drastically. The previous month had a total number of 230 views, the following month 2231. Now I understand that adding content and a picture make it show up on more search engines, and I can assume that some of those page views on that day are from me and maybe some Commons people checking out a new image, but what about all the days after? I see my edits to this article as relatively lazy, and the majority of the text I added were bare facts in the infobox. I'm certain that the WP search takes days if not longer to register changes, and I changed nothing on the Sony template which is where most of the inbound links come from, so I'm curious if anyone knows what edits in particular could create almost instant results like this. Where do all these new views come form and how, while still being lazy, can these results be reproduced? ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 07:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC)- Check stats for "Dash_(personal_internet_viewer)" - the view total remained about the same, it's just that before the move readers ended up at Dash (personal internet viewer) while now they end up at Sony Dash. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, was going to say the same thing. ~DC Let's Vent 07:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I should sleep more before editing. I thought I had cracked the code! ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 08:23, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yep, was going to say the same thing. ~DC Let's Vent 07:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Style for headings
I'm looking for the CSS which will produce the headings like we use on Wikipedia. I want to hardcode rather than using == or because I do not want it to appear in the table of contents. For background, this is for the Template:Invitation to edit initiative which will inivite readers to edit certain articles and produce a collapsed mini tutorial. It's these headings which I don't want to interfere with the article itself. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:46, 2 September 2010 (UTC) - Does
show in a ToC? - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 20:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- It depends on the skin, but my developer toolbar tells me the following (for Vector):
.h2 {
color: black;
font-size: 150%;
font-family: sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
line-height: 1.5em;
margin-bottom: 0.6em;
padding: 0.5em 0 0.17em;
border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa;
width: auto;
}
.h3 {
color: black;
font-size: 132%;
font-family: sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
line-height: 1.5em;
margin-bottom: 0.3em;
padding: 0.5em 0 0.17em;
border-bottom: none;
width: auto;
}
- — Edokter • Talk • 20:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Monobook uses http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css. Check the page source for main.css. Be aware that using the header tags will add the header to the TOC. I think there is a template that emulates a header without adding it to the TOC, but I can't remember it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
show in a ToC? - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 20:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
.h2 {
color: black;
font-size: 150%;
font-family: sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
line-height: 1.5em;
margin-bottom: 0.6em;
padding: 0.5em 0 0.17em;
border-bottom: 1px solid #aaa;
width: auto;
}
.h3 {
color: black;
font-size: 132%;
font-family: sans-serif;
font-weight: bold;
line-height: 1.5em;
margin-bottom: 0.3em;
padding: 0.5em 0 0.17em;
border-bottom: none;
width: auto;
}
- Monobook uses http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css. Check the page source for main.css. Be aware that using the header tags will add the header to the TOC. I think there is a template that emulates a header without adding it to the TOC, but I can't remember it. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 20:33, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
Old Wikipedia logo has disappeared in Monobook
Maybe it's just me, but the Wikipedia logo has disappeared from the upper left corner of the page in Monobook. Clicking the empty space still takes me to the Main Page, but the logo is blank. Logged out I can see the new logo in Vector. Any idea what happened? –Grondemar 05:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)- Unable to reproduce, even after clearing my browser cache. --Cybercobra (talk) 05:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- still there for me – not sure if there's a choice of image flavours though, and if so, it's the right one for you! Always use Monobook. Trev M ~ 12:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's because http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/b/bc/20100513062230!Wiki.png is returning a 404 error. –xenotalk 17:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Use http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Wikipedia-logo-en.png instead. –xenotalk 17:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Anyone else screaming because of unnecessary case sensitivity in templates?
I was just trying to assign an article a wikiproject class. I have done this several times and would have thought it could be a fairly intuitive exercise, having read the criteria for assigning articles. But to get the 4 permutations of upper and lower cases of "Class" and the letter signifying the value right took me... yees, you guesssed it, 4 goes. And then there was getting the order of the quality and importance right to please the templates.I presume there's a master template for the plethora of minor wikiproject categorization templates (many unfilled, perhaps not helped by this tediousness). Wouldn't some template wiz feel great about disposing of unnecessary case (and order) sensitivities to help move this along a bit smoother? Trev M ~ 12:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Suggest this at Template talk:WPBannerMeta. –xenotalk 17:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Revdel usernames in user list
Is it possible to revdel a username so that it will not be visible in Special:ListUsers? -- Ϫ 14:36, 3 September 2010 (UTC)- Hm. Perhaps through the user creation log? I'm not sure, but that's what sprang to mind. Killiondude (talk) 17:09, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- 'HideUser' does this. –xenotalk 17:12, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do admins have access to 'HideUser'? I'm not sure what that is. If you're referring to the "Delete editor's username/IP" option in RevDel, that still doesn't hide the name from the Special:ListUsers listing, I don't think. -- Ϫ 02:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- No, only oversighters have access to HideUser, which makes it possible to hide a username from Special:Listusers. Graham87 07:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do admins have access to 'HideUser'? I'm not sure what that is. If you're referring to the "Delete editor's username/IP" option in RevDel, that still doesn't hide the name from the Special:ListUsers listing, I don't think. -- Ϫ 02:16, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
fullurl and external data
I want to use the {{{name}}} in fullurl: like this: [3] however, as you can see, it does not seem to work. Is there any other way to make this work?--Hengsheng120 (talk) 20:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)- It does seem to work, as you say but maybe didn't mean. It gives the result I would expect when it's transcluded with a parameter called name. For example, the code {{Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|name=example}} currently makes your above code produce a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Abcexample&action=edit for me (who is at http://en.wikipedia.org). Did you mean it does not seem to work? In that case, what exactly do you want to happen when exactly which code is used? Or if you don't know which code to use then which effect do you want to achieve? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflictTemplate:Safesubst:) Is
<syntaxhighlight lang=text enclose=none>{{{name}}}</syntaxhighlight>the parameter in a template? If so, which one? Or do you mean<syntaxhighlight lang=text enclose=none>{{PAGENAME}}</syntaxhighlight>? (Note two not three braces for PAGENAME: see Help:Magic words for more info.) — Richardguk (talk) 21:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Old IP-addresses with "xxx" at the end
Hi! I've noticed that with some old IP-addresses which edited uninlogged like the same year as Wikipedia was formed, not the whole IP-address (e.g. not all the numbers in the IP-address) are shown. Why is it like that with the oldest edits? Were the actual IP-addresses not identifyable at that time? /HeyMid (contributions) 22:20, 3 September 2010 (UTC)- I think it was just a change of privacy policy. Masking the last 8-bits was probably judged to provide little additional privacy for many anonymous editors, and would have been confusing for editors or readers with a similar address to that of an editor who had received a user talk page message. — Richardguk (talk) 23:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- That would be true, except I have never encountered any evidence of someone trying to communicate with an anonymous user in those days. I thinkt the last octet of the IP address was masked with "xxx" to make it slightly more difficult to do WHOIS lookups. IIRC there was a time when admins could see the full IP address while other users could not. Also see Wikipedia:Phase II feature requests/Cookies, logins, and privacy, which was written when Wikipedia used UseModWiki. Graham87 07:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
has the server been acting up lately?
I have had a hard time getting the Wikipedia to load lately, I am wondering if its just me? Weaponbb7 (talk) 01:27, 4 September 2010 (UTC)- Hello! Thank you for asking. Well, I am running the secure version, and I also had downloading issues yesterday. It took like 5–10 seconds to load a page, which is kinda slow, but it is a bit better today. So no, you weren't the only user who were experiencing slow-down issues yesterday, probably all users around the world were affected. /HeyMid (contributions) 07:39, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
allow non-registered users to choose the skin they like
Not everyone likes vector & not everyone wants to become a registered user. Therefore, it should be allowed to set a preferred skin (to be stored in a cookie). Likewise, not everyone's eyes are as good as they used to be. Therefore users should be allowed to set a preferred font-size as well. Hpvpp (talk) 06:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)- Looks like a good idea. --Extra 999 (Contact me + contribs) 06:36, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Using Ctrl + and Ctrl - should adjust the font size in your browser. Most browsers should automatically remember the setting. This has nothing to do with the skin or registration. Zunaid 06:50, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Special:Random
Can anybody tell me the pattern from which Special:Random finds and loads. --Extra 999 (Contact me + contribs) 06:35, 4 September 2010 (UTC)- Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#Is the "random article" feature really random?. Killiondude (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
"intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options for finding section titles ?
I find the "intitle" and "lookfrom" Wikipedia search options (as in intitle:"search phrase" and lookfrom:"search phrase") to be very useful to find articles relating to a subject of interest.However it would also be useful if i could look for section titles within articles using "intitle" and "lookfrom" rather than just article titles. I bet there are plenty of sections tucked away which would be of interest to me and i might llke to link to.
If it isnt possible with standard Wiki software, perhaps somebody could do a couple of searches for me on my behalf using specialist Wiki software.
I suppose one possibility would be the ability to search on the raw HTML version of Wikipedia and make use of the fact that section titles always start with a "=". --Penbat (talk) 10:25, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
