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Improvements to an article where I have a conflict of interest
As you may know, I work for Food & Water Watch, a nonprofit organization based in Washington DC. Since I work there, it would be quite untoward for me to make substantial edits to the article due to conflict of interest. Likewise, our internet strategist has listened to me when I said that it would be untoward for the organization to edit the Wikipedia article about itself. All of us agree that the article is *very* out of date, and needs to be updated and expanded. I've posted to the talk page about problems with the article, but it appears that no one is watching the article except me. What would the group consider to be a proper way to get others to come to improve the article? Obviously, a GA or FA would be a wonderful thing one day, but it's got a long way before reaching that. So your thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:58, 19 August 2010 (UTC)- Is there a relevant Wikiproject that you can ask for assistance? – ukexpat (talk) 19:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
- While it is strongly discouraged, editing despite a COI is not expressly forbidden, simply discouraged because of the obvious concerns about writing in a non-neutral way. If you like, perhaps create a draft copy on a subpage: Talk:Food & Water Watch/Draft or User:SchuminWeb/Draft, or something similar, then ask for input as to whether your draft meets policies like Wikipedia:NPOV before moving it to the main space. Resolute 20:06, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
- FWIW, it's so patently obvious that many people and/or their publicists edit their own Wikipedia entries. Read a glowing bio with plenty of first-person references and you don't have to scratch your head too long to wonder who wrote it. I think that's one (of many) reasons WP is on the wane. The "strong discouragement" only works with people who have a strong ethical sense. IMHO, the fact that the poster here is broaching this topic suggests to me he/she would be more objective than the person who edits his/her own entry while pretending not to, and there's certainly plenty of that. 71.175.4.207 (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
- The first thing to do would be to give some indication that your employer meets our notability criteria. The two independent sources in the article only give passing mentions of the subject, and are far from demonstrating that there is significant coverage in independent reliable sources, so there is nothing that helps any other editor to update or expand the article. It seems a little strange that an administrator who seems so keen on deleting articles about other subjects doesn't realise that an article about his own employer needs to meet our inclusion standards. I've just watchlisted the article, so, if you put an independently and reliably sourced draft that meet notability standards on the article talk page, I'll be happy to review it and make the required changes to the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 20:09, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
WP:Stupidity?
Should stupidity be deleted from Wikipedia? :-) Steve Dufour (talk) 00:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)- Of course; clearly far too self-referential :p Chzz ► 07:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- Well, if it's only deleted from the English Wikipedia, the size of the 'pedia would be cut down so far that the Germans would overtake us. I don't think unilateral disarmament is such a good idea, since even if we weren't as stupid, we'd be embarassingly smaller. Imagine if we then gained back half our stupidity (which would inevitably happen over time). We'd still be smaller than the German Wikipedia and still be quite stupid. So I would only favor removing the stupidity if other 'pedias do the same, in a similar, coordinated fashion. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Location of Osama bin Laden
Checking out the Location of Osama bin Laden article, I want to put a section expert template, but I cannot put one on. Anyone know what I should do?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:53, 28 August 2010 (UTC)Catholic World Report article
Ok, here is an odd one. I was reading a WP article on the Harry Potter series and there was a section on the Catholic opinion of the books with a reference & wikilink to Catholic World Report. Oddly this wikilink was a redlink which struck me as odd for such a well known publication by Ignatius Press (which is not redlinked). A quick search of en.wikipedia.org (note this was an onsite search, not a Google search) found over 11,000 hits! Yet there is no article on this publication and as far as I can tell never was (I can find no trace of an AFD etc). How very odd don't you think? 66.97.213.52 (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)- Hi there. You can request this article at Wikipedia:AfC. You could also be bold and create the article yourself (you will need to become a registered user first). --tb240904 Talk Contribs 07:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- Mmm. So, we ought to write an article about it; it seems notable enough (google). Chzz ► 07:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Dead Links
I am starting to gather data for a report on dead links on BLPs, but on a wider note I am doing a general review of links on wikipedia. I checked a number of links on 2008-12-10 decided to re-run the data, its surprising to see the amount of link rot (completely dead) links that are appearing. I know our "policy" states that we should leave said links, but what if they cannot be verified and review/look-up in places like archive.org and archive it fail? should we permanently leave questionable link (and probable sources) that cannot be verified in articles or should they be removed after a period of attempted verification? Should we develop a prod like process for addressing these cases or just leave them and trust that they actually contain the information that is claimed? I know I have seen many many cases where users claim a source states something, only to find out upon verification that the users claims are wrong? ΔT The only constant 02:45, 29 August 2010 (UTC)- Dead links to offline sources should be removed (that is the link removed, not the whole citation). Dead links to online sources should hopefully be findable in a web archive, but if not then should be replaced with a better citation. Fortunately, most reliable sources also exists offline. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 13:46, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Linkrot (and other pages). Importantly, if the dead link to an online-only source is
- in a citation (not an external link),
- not in some archive or another, and
- not easily replaceable with a source that is at least as good as this one probably was (e.g., a government website should not be replaced by a personal blog, but a blog could be replaced by a government website),
- then you should leave it alone. Even if it's a dead link, the URL itself provides useful information (e.g., "Gee, that rather surprising claim is only supported by a link to Blogspot..." or "Looks like this originally came from the US FDA's website, which they rearranged..."). Furthermore, "dead today" doesn't mean "will always be dead", and "I can't find an archive today" is not the same a "no archive exists".
- The bottom line is that a working link is ideal, but a dead link is better than nothing at all. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Linkrot (and other pages). Importantly, if the dead link to an online-only source is
Some Ukrainian bot has created a user page for me on the Ukrainian Wikipedia
I got an email today -- in Ukrainian (which I thought was Russian) informing me that (what I think is) a bot had created a user page for me on the Ukraininan Wikipedia (which I've never edited). It gave me a link and, sure enough, there I am. [1] Anybody know what's going on? -- JohnWBarber (talk) 22:27, 29 August 2010 (UTC)- Since you unified your account, an account there was automatically created for you (there is normally some sort of trigger for this), and it was the account creation on 26 August which triggered a message on your Ukrainian talk page, which triggered the email. - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 22:38, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- Some other projects are unfortunately set up to aggressively identify SUL accounts this way by mucking about with cookies. If you have a SUL account and visit any page on such a wiki, and you allow cookies, it will create a local account. There seems to be a nearly 100% overlap between projects that think such tactics are a good idea and those that want to leave useless welcomebot messages to everyone who has ever passed through. Before you ask, yes, I think that treads on the thin edge of the Privacy Policy, but plainly the Foundation does not, or they would not support the ability to set such cookies. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
- You are mistaken, when you log into a SUL account you log into *all* wikis that are part of SUL system, which means that you don't have to re-login to every wiki. (The main goal of SUL) Before you can edit on a wiki (and for autoconfirmed userrights and any others that are based on age of an account) a user account creation date must exist. This used to occur when you created an account or logged into an account on another wiki manually, But since the release of SUL you are automatically logged into a wiki when you visit the site, or any page within it (your user account is automatically created, and you are logged into it). When this happens see new user log for reference 00:59, 30 August 2010 Ilviaggiatorefedericiano (talk | contribs) account created automatically the account created automatically means that an account was created via the SUL process. Its in no way an issue with the privacy policy, but rather a normal part of the mediawiki software. ΔT The only constant 01:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I will admit to not having the details of the SUL login process memorized, and so you may be right about how it is implemented. I do know, because I manually accept/reject cookies from WMF sites, that some wikis do set additional cookies on mere page views, and that wikis that do this tend to create needless user talk pages after a mere visit. As to the privacy policy: the page creation JohnWBarber is concerned about amounts to a disclosure that he has visited the Ukrainian Wikipedia, when that might not be known without the welcomebot page creation. You might argue that this does not, quite, violate the Privacy Policy, but it is too damn close for me to ever like it. — Gavia immer (talk) 01:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- 20:43, 26 August 2010 00:12, 18 August 2010 are both logs that show when a local account was created for John (IE he logged into said site for the first time) http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=%CE%94 shows 659 records for me across all projects, it also includes timestamps for said account creations too. It is in no means more of privacy violation than the user account creation log here on en.wp. ΔT The only constant 01:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- PS Special:CentralAuth/Gavia immer shows all the logs for your account creations. Keep in mind it only shows account creations not actual visits or anything private. ΔT The only constant 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused by all this, but let me see if I've got this right: A bot created a page under my user name at the Ukrainian Wikipedia because I myself logged in on that site some days ago? I don't recall doing that, although I suppose it's possible. On August 17, I replaced an image on the Slovak Wikipedia, and I made a similar edit on the Norwegian Wikipedia. I've got no edits on the Ukrainian Wikipedia, though. Hmmmmmmm. Maybe I just forgot I logged in there. I'm probably just going stark raving mad. Most likely explanation. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 03:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, a bot put a welcome message on your talk page on the uk wiki because you likely clicked on a link that took you to the uk wiki which because you have an SUL account meant that you automatically created an account there when you looked at a page there. The bot which probably patrols new account creations then welcomed you on your talk page. -DJSasso (talk) 11:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused by all this, but let me see if I've got this right: A bot created a page under my user name at the Ukrainian Wikipedia because I myself logged in on that site some days ago? I don't recall doing that, although I suppose it's possible. On August 17, I replaced an image on the Slovak Wikipedia, and I made a similar edit on the Norwegian Wikipedia. I've got no edits on the Ukrainian Wikipedia, though. Hmmmmmmm. Maybe I just forgot I logged in there. I'm probably just going stark raving mad. Most likely explanation. -- JohnWBarber (talk) 03:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- PS Special:CentralAuth/Gavia immer shows all the logs for your account creations. Keep in mind it only shows account creations not actual visits or anything private. ΔT The only constant 01:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- 20:43, 26 August 2010 00:12, 18 August 2010 are both logs that show when a local account was created for John (IE he logged into said site for the first time) http://toolserver.org/~vvv/sulutil.php?user=%CE%94 shows 659 records for me across all projects, it also includes timestamps for said account creations too. It is in no means more of privacy violation than the user account creation log here on en.wp. ΔT The only constant 01:30, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- I will admit to not having the details of the SUL login process memorized, and so you may be right about how it is implemented. I do know, because I manually accept/reject cookies from WMF sites, that some wikis do set additional cookies on mere page views, and that wikis that do this tend to create needless user talk pages after a mere visit. As to the privacy policy: the page creation JohnWBarber is concerned about amounts to a disclosure that he has visited the Ukrainian Wikipedia, when that might not be known without the welcomebot page creation. You might argue that this does not, quite, violate the Privacy Policy, but it is too damn close for me to ever like it. — Gavia immer (talk) 01:16, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- You are mistaken, when you log into a SUL account you log into *all* wikis that are part of SUL system, which means that you don't have to re-login to every wiki. (The main goal of SUL) Before you can edit on a wiki (and for autoconfirmed userrights and any others that are based on age of an account) a user account creation date must exist. This used to occur when you created an account or logged into an account on another wiki manually, But since the release of SUL you are automatically logged into a wiki when you visit the site, or any page within it (your user account is automatically created, and you are logged into it). When this happens see new user log for reference 00:59, 30 August 2010 Ilviaggiatorefedericiano (talk | contribs) account created automatically the account created automatically means that an account was created via the SUL process. Its in no way an issue with the privacy policy, but rather a normal part of the mediawiki software. ΔT The only constant 01:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Some other projects are unfortunately set up to aggressively identify SUL accounts this way by mucking about with cookies. If you have a SUL account and visit any page on such a wiki, and you allow cookies, it will create a local account. There seems to be a nearly 100% overlap between projects that think such tactics are a good idea and those that want to leave useless welcomebot messages to everyone who has ever passed through. Before you ask, yes, I think that treads on the thin edge of the Privacy Policy, but plainly the Foundation does not, or they would not support the ability to set such cookies. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:50, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Proper templates for components of an operating system?
In an article dealing with a single component of an operating system, is it proper to use a template for the operating system or operating system family, e.g., to use [[Category:IBM Mainframe computer operating systems ]] in Input/Output Configuration Program?Also, is it appropriate to use a {{helpme}} tag on a talk page to ask questions about which template to use? Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 16:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
- Quick question, you mentioned templates but you linked a category. Are you asking about categories or templates?--131.44.121.21 (talk) 19:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- In my primary question I linked to Input/Output Configuration Program, but I cited [[Category:IBM Mainframe computer operating systems]], which is a category. I was giving that category as an example for the question.
- In my secondary question (metaquestion) I cited a helpme template, asking whether it was appropriate to use it in a talk page when asking about categories in general. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz Username:Chatul (talk) 20:29, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Don't know if I messed up a category for discussion
I nominated a category (Igbo writers by genre) (Category:Igbo writers by genre) to be looked at for deletion, but I don't know if I followed the right protocols. I only became aware of the "Categories for Discussion" pages last week, and I worry that I've done it wrong. I've been editing Wikipedia for a long time, but I've kind of played it by ear, and most of my edits have been really simple. I just cut and pasted code to nominate the category, but I'm not sure it looks right. There seems to be some complicated code attached. As to why I nominated it, I ran across it by happenstance, but it looked weird: The Category "Igbo writers by genre" has no articles, and two subcategories, each of which has only one article in it and it's the exact same article. I also found the Category "Igbo fiction writers" which is exactly the same set-up as "Igbo writers by genre" (in fact the same two subcategories and the exact same single article as the sole entry in each subcategory). I feel the one article which is the sole entry in the four categories under these two categories could probably be classified in one of the other, more populated subcategories of "Igbo writers", such as "Igbo novelists" or "Igbo women writers". But I don't know if I did the right thing and I'm sorry if I messed this up. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 23:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)Native-language names in both lede and infobox?
I posted a question about this on several MOS pages but didn't get any responses, so I'm asking here too.Many articles about foreign topics include a native-language name in the first sentence of the lede, in the infobox, or both. See, for example, Jay Chou and Zhang Yuqi. Sometimes the same information is duplicated across both places. (In my experience, biographies like the ones mentioned above often have the name stuff duplicated, whereas articles about placenames do less so—see for instance Weifang, Wuhan—since I think city infoboxes don't have parameters for that; for places with a lot of names, though, there is sometimes a dedicated box just for that, as in Ürümqi.) Most of my experience with this is in China-related articles, but I'm sure infoboxes related to other places also have this issue.
Anyway, I'm just wondering if there is a guideline about where language information should go in these cases. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:56, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Anyone speak Russian?
I need someone who can speak Russian to give the Russian wikipedia a message. There is an image on their servers at [2] that is a copyright violation of an image belonging to Doug Bell. It was deleted from wikipedia servers at File:Pcomo.jpg. Cheers, all! --GrapedApe (talk) 20:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- You may try the Embassy at the Russian Wikipedia. Svick (talk) 22:45, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Marking all edits as minor by default in My Preferences
I don't understand why we still have this as an option ("Mark all edits as minor by default" under "Editing") in My Preferences. Just about every time I see accounts who mark all their edits as minor it seems to be for disruptive/tendentious purposes, as it prevents those who do not track minor edits in watchlists from seeing some problem edits. Users should be checking that box manually if an edit truly is minor. Any thoughts out there? –MuZemike 22:02, 1 September 2010 (UTC)- In general, I agree, although there are circumstances in which this might be appropriate (e.g., a user who only adds interwiki links, only fixes spelling, or a bot that only corrects formatting). I suspect that it causes more problems than benefits. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:15, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Per this discussion and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24313, the preference is supposed to have been removed already. Since it plainly hasn't, the solution is to poke the developers. Poke poke poke. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, looking at bugzilla, one can see that the discussion has been sidetracked by things that have nothing to do with the original request. That would explain why the simple fix hasn't been implemented. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- I missed the last discussion, but this feature does have its uses. For example, before I had AWB, I used it (on a temporary basis) to hurry up terribly repetitive and uncontroversial tasks like fixing up double redirects after a move. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- But is that feature really needed now? AWB has that easily set, and most bot frameworks have that option to mark all bot edits as minor. There is no more additional utility behind that feature, and it can easily be exploited by those who wish to be disruptive. –MuZemike 22:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I missed the last discussion, but this feature does have its uses. For example, before I had AWB, I used it (on a temporary basis) to hurry up terribly repetitive and uncontroversial tasks like fixing up double redirects after a move. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- And, of course, looking at bugzilla, one can see that the discussion has been sidetracked by things that have nothing to do with the original request. That would explain why the simple fix hasn't been implemented. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:31, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
- Per this discussion and https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24313, the preference is supposed to have been removed already. Since it plainly hasn't, the solution is to poke the developers. Poke poke poke. — Gavia immer (talk) 22:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Wilco, Benighted
Hi! I can't figure a better way to word my concern. I was checking the WP for a couple of odd words I found in a paper and found that the main entries refer to "Rock Bands", which is kind of misleading. I tried to move the entries to secondary links, and in the case of Wilco some people cried foul: the articles are pretty popular among a relatively large fan base, and involuntarily I was wreaking havoc in all links pointing to that page. I reverted the edits and tried to add a disambiguation entry, but the further editings since still don't satisfy my judgement. I wonder where is the policy regarding how to write disambiguation paragraphs before the actual entry, why these misleading entries stick, and where to discuss the policies. Cheers, Lwyx (talk) 18:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)- Wikipedia:DISAMBIG and Wikipedia:HATNOTE may be of help. One thing to note is that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. See Wikipedia:NOTDIC. You want Wiktionary for definitions (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_page). These entries are not "misleading", they are the primary uses under these names (even if the radio procedure came first). Wilco (disambiguation) is clearly marked, as is Benighted (disambiguation). Your assertion that this is just about fans wanting their bands to have pride of place is mistaken (I wouldn't know a song by either band). Fences&Windows 00:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
An accent in Premiere.
Hello,I recently came upon the word "premiered" in the article on Shakespeare's Twelfth Night, but it had an accent over the second E resulting in "première." I thought this grave accent was unnecessary so I removed it. It was quickly reverted to its original spelling. I've seen this word in countless other articles without the accent. I know the accent alludes to the word's etymology--French, from the word première meaning first--but is the accent really necessary, or even correct given general, modern pronunciation of premiere? Many other conjugates from French no longer retain their accents (List of English words of French origin).
Tell me what you think, Wikipedians. If this is the wrong place for such a question, accept my apologies and please point me in the right direction. Thank you!
(Also, my IP address has a long-standing reputation of vandalism. This does not reflect my actions as I live in a dormitory (Dobie Center) and therefore use a public IP address. This is my first semester here.) 74.202.255.6 (talk) 22:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)Chris Rogers
- It is standard in British English, and Shakespeare was almost certainly more British than American. Chambers 20th Century Dictionary uses the accent. DuncanHill (talk) 22:10, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- In British English it's pronounced prem-ee-air, while American has dropped the accent and (incorrectly :p) pronounces it pre'meer. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 11:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks guys! 128.62.138.252 (talk) 15:35, 3 September 2010 (UTC) Chris Rogers
- In British English it's pronounced prem-ee-air, while American has dropped the accent and (incorrectly :p) pronounces it pre'meer. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 11:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Doctor Faustus, A Tale of a Tub (play), Volpone, Epicœne, or The silent woman, The Alchemist (play), The Devil is an Ass, The Magnetic Lady, The City Wit, The Northern Lass, The New Academy, A Looking Glass for London, Believe as You List, Sir John van Olden Barnavelt, The Little French Lawyer, The Sea Voyage, The Spanish Curate, The Lovers' Progress, The Honest Man's Fortune, The Faithful Shepherdess, The Island Princess, The Pilgrim (play), The Scornful Lady, Wit at Several Weapons, The Laws of Candy, and others I'm sure.
As for Shakespeare's canon, The Merry Wives of Windsor lacks an accent. It's used sans accent in The Taming of the Shrew in regards to an English actor's adaptation in the 1600s. It's even seen without the accent in Romeo and Juliet--a featured article--in the "Shakespeare's Day" section. 72.29.211.131 (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC) Chris Rogers
Plagiarism
Hello guys,According to a rumor, it seems a book will be published soon (in French), which will contain chunks of texts clearly from Wikipedia. According to some, it will be the first time, but I have a vague memory that there was already a book published which plagiarized wikipedia, but I do not remember more than this. Anyone remembers ?
- Interesting. I know of several books which copied Wikipedia content explicitly with citations as to the source (linking back to the project) but I'm not aware of any blatant plagiarism in the form of a published book. I also know of several websites which have plagiarized content that I explicitly have written, some of them without any sort of recognition as to the source. I've also had some of my photos that I've uploaded for use on Wikipedia plagiarized as well without acknowledgment, and in fact with assertion of copyright under other terms demanded.
- It wouldn't surprise me if this has happened in the past, as I've seen almost everything you can imagine in regards to copyright violations and even assertion of copyright on content that clearly was not written by the claimant or even authorized by the original actual author. What annoys me the most are those publishers who assert copyright on public domain materials... which in America is surprisingly not really illegal. Instead it it up to the person who wishes to republish public domain materials to research the copyright and note what the original content actually said, essentially ignoring copyright in that case and saying "sue me, I dare you" to those who would try to enforce such copyright. --Robert Horning (talk) 16:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- You are probably rememebering the case of Free: The Future of a Radical Price see this and this.©Geni 19:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'd like to remind people that there exists a backward copy vio template for use on the talk page, were a WP article has been published else where without proper attribution. This template aims to prevent editors from rashly tagging valid WP content as copyvio when the situation is really the other way around.--Aspro (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed Geni. That's the one I was thinking of. As for the brand new one, the journalist wrote its piece about it. You may see it here [3]http://www.slate.fr/story/26745/wikipedia-plagiat-michel-houellebecq-carte-territoire. Very good author, I feel proud for us :) Anthere (talk)
- I'd like to remind people that there exists a backward copy vio template for use on the talk page, were a WP article has been published else where without proper attribution. This template aims to prevent editors from rashly tagging valid WP content as copyvio when the situation is really the other way around.--Aspro (talk) 20:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
How to fix disagreement between two Wikipedia articles?
I am new to this forum but use Wikipedia all the time.There is a serious difference (error) between two articles related to the deepest canyons in the world.
Under "Colca Canyon," the article states that depth of the Colca Canyon in Peru is 4,160 m (13,648 feet),
However, under "Cotahuasi Canyon," it states that the Cotahuasi's "maximum depth is 3535 meters in the vicinity of Ninancocha, 335 meters more than the Colca Canyon." This would make the Colca Canyon only 11,062 feet deep. That is a difference in depth reporting of over 2,500 feet! Which is correct and how do we correct this?
--InsidePeru (talk) 14:14, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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