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March is Women's History Month in the United States
I would like to highlight that March is Women's History Month in the United States (and maybe other places, too.) And March 8, is International Women's Day.National Women's History Project's 2010 Theme is "Writing Women Back into History" and I think that is a good reminder that Wikipedia English has quite a few gaps in our coverage of topics including some gaps in our coverage of women's activity in military history. I encourage everyone to look for one or two biographies about women to create or expand this month.
- Women Airforce Service Pilots--A number of these women are notable because of there achievements in the area of aviation and service in WWII. I found a large amount of material quickly available on Ann Baumgartner and Mildred "Micky" Axton, and I suspect there are others WASPs waiting for an article. They all are to receive a Congressional Gold Medal on March 10, 2010. *The Library of Congress Veterans History Project may have some leads, too. *Queen Alexandra's Royal Army Nursing Corps and Princess Mary's Royal Air Force Nursing Service are other examples, and there are many more.
- Women and Social Movements in the United States is a resource about U.S. women's history.
- Biographies of women..
- Thank you for posting this, it's a really lovely idea. I blogged about it and will find a few biographies to work on! -- phoebe / (talk to me) 08:19, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- And here's a related analysis from User:Reagle -- [1] -- phoebe / (talk to me) 21:02, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- List of early women elected to United States state legislatures. I'm working on the ones of Kentucky and New York now. Anyone that wants to help can by checking to see which ones are missing from Wikipedia and adding them. I'm starting a list. User:FloNight/List of the first United States female state legislators FloNight♥♥♥♥ 21:59, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Articles to edit?
Hi, I know a real person runs SuggestBot and they have other stuff to do besides working on Wikipedia, but my username has been up there for about 4 weeks now and there's still no suggestions, even though it says on the page 'you'll get a reply within a week and probably sooner'. Why is this? When I do get my suggestions, where do they go?Also, is there any articles that need spelling changes and cleanups? If so can anybody recommend some or show me where the list is. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chevymontecarlo (talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- Try going to Category:Wikipedia cleanup categories and looking at the choices there. The subcategory called Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit may be of particular interest based on your mention of spelling changes. --RL0919 (talk) 17:04, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm that real person, and we're working on semi-automating its running. I'm also handing it off to a PhD student who has energy for making it run better (and is also looking at making it run on multiple instances of Wikipedia). Sorry you've had to wait; they'll show up on your talk page "soon". -- 128.84.103.49 (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
An example of everything that is wrong with Wikipedia
Here is the current lead paragraph of the article Antigen:- An antigen (from antibody generator) originally defined as any molecule that binds specifically to an Antibody, the term now also refers to any molecule or molecular fragment that can be bound by a Major histocompatibility complex (MHC) and presented to a T-cell receptor. "Self" antigens are usually tolerated by the immune system; whereas "Non-self" antigens are identified as intruders and attacked by the immune system. Autoimmune disorders arise from the immune system reacting to its own antigens.
- "An antigen is any substance that causes your immune system to produce Antibodies against it. An antigen may be a foreign substance from the environment such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, or pollen. An antigen may also be formed within the body, as with bacterial Toxins or tissue cells."
- We hire professional writers and professional editors, and prevent the general population from meddling with articles. That would completely destroy wikipedia, tossing the baby out with the bathwater, but it would accomplish what you seek - mostly. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 02:29, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Its much easier than that - You do it! Roger (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- I have only a basic knowledge of biology and medicine, and I have never seen or edited the antigen article, but I don't have much difficulty reading it. It's true that it doesn't have a "sixth-grade" reading level like the medline paragraph, but that's not a problem. It's reasonable to expect that a reader will take some time to read an article carefully; there's no reason to write articles for a 5-second glance.
- When I looked at our antigen article, I saw it distinguishes between antigens and immunogens; it looks like the medline article is just discussing immunogens. So the medline paragraph is actually being inaccurate in the interest of being simple; that's exactly what we want to avoid here. Our goal is to write articles, not just to give people superficial summaries like the medline one.
- My real advice is: if you find an article that needs improvement, edit it! If you don't feel comfortable editing it, leave a note on the article's talk page asking for someone knowledgeable about the subject to help you. — Carl (CBM · talk) 12:39, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- ...you could also note the issue, with a {{confusing}}, or {{expert}} tag. But fixing it would be best. Chzz ► 23:53, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry; I didn't mean to sound flippant. My concern is that I even though I am among the best-educated 4% in one of the world's wealthiest countries, I couldn't understand the paragraph I excerpted. I didn't really know what an antibody was and certainly didn't know the definition of "T-cell receptor" or "major histocompatibility complex." You might point out that "antibody" and "major histocompatibility complex" are wikilinked, but the articles linked to may be even harder to understand, forcing people to click on yet another link to understand them, and so on until you're in a wild goose chase just trying to understand a single sentence.
- This has been a concern of mine for a long time. Even though I consider myself to be a fairly well-educated person, I can't understand the vast majority of "hard science" articles on Wikipedia. I'd love to improve them myself but without the necessary background knowledge of the subject matter I'm afraid I would introduce inaccuracies.
- I have long been of the belief that it needs to made clearer that the purpose of an encyclopedia is to provide information for people who don't know it already and that there's no need to cram all of the detail professional-level readers would need into an article when we have unlimited space to put such detail on what could be called subsidiary pages (as in "Main article: Whatever"). A couple of years ago I suggested that the Good Article criteria include a line that the article must be written so the "least-knowledgeable likely reader" would be able to understand it, or at least the enough to know what the article's subject is exactly. I'd love to be part of a Wikiproject that matches people with writing expertise (I have some) with people with scientific knowledge to improve the readability of science articles. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:47, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Proposal auto display a unreferenced template for soccer squad templates
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#New_proposed_major_change_to_Football_squad_system Gnevin (talk) 12:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)evolution of info-boxes
I am doing some research into the evolution of information transfer systems and was hoping you might be able to help me. Could you tell me where or how I can get statistics on 1) when info-boxes first appeared in wikipedia and how quickly they spread to their current levels, both in terms of total numbers and also in terms of unique catogories 2) what information was in those early boxes and how this has changed 3) how successful are info-boxes compared to free text in getting clicked when the same link is available in both the box and the text?Please let me know if you want to know more about my research or if you have any questions about the kind of statistics I am looking for. Any help would be appreciated! Lasgomas (talk) 16:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Translation
Can anybody translate the name of the ship in File:Cuxhaven kry Schiff 01 (RaBoe).jpg to make it possible to find her IMO number? --Stunteltje (talk) 22:49, 10 March 2010 (UTC)- Tulos Phil Bridger (talk) 14:53, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Unwelcoming error page for anonymous editors
When an anonymous editor tries to edit a non-existent page (e.g. [2]), it says "Unauthorized" for the title. I don't think it used to say that. Either way, can we think of ideas to improve that page to be more welcoming, and encourage people to sign up for an account? Note that I am aware that anons can not create pages, and I am not suggesting changing that policy, just the UI. Superm401 - Talk 23:47, 10 March 2010 (UTC)- The idea of a more welcoming screen there makes a great deal of sense; 'unauthorized' is pretty harsh. It presents an opportunity to encourage new users to sign up, and to point them toward good practice - Wikipedia:FIRST perhaps. I hope this can be considered. Chzz ► 23:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- The interface message in question is MediaWiki:Nocreatetext. Svick (talk) 00:11, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- That's the body text, but where does "Unauthorized" come from? Superm401 - Talk 00:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- My guess is that it's MediaWiki:Badaccess. Svick (talk) 00:58, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- That's the body text, but where does "Unauthorized" come from? Superm401 - Talk 00:13, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Bizarre image behavior
File:Jews.jpg displays five people if its size is 245px and four at any other size:
Out of curiosity, does anyone know what's going on with this image?Prezbo (talk) 02:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- It displays 4 for me both times. Aiken ♫ 02:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry I accidentally made them the same size.Prezbo (talk) 02:55, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- Actually it looks like you changed the size of the second one?Prezbo (talk) 03:02, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
- It looks like this image was changed on March 6 to add a fifth portrait, then reverted to the four-portrait version on March 10. Probably the 245px version was a stale thumbnail that has now been regenerated. — Gavia immer (talk) 03:17, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Mediation or mediation?
Would somebody give me the nutshell version of the difference between formal mediation and the mediation cabal? Which is more likely to get action sooner? Maurreen (talk) 05:35, 11 March 2010 (UTC)"Wikipedia, Critical Point of View" conference in Amsterdam
Has anyone hear about this conference taking place in Amsterdam on March 26-27? Is anyone going? I'll be there in case anyone wants to meet up :) JACOPLANE • 2010-03-12 14:52Please feel free to send me elsewhere
if that's the best reply to my issue.On Feb 14, 2006 I posted a picture in the Fielding Yost article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fielding_Yost-1902.jpg Now, 4 years later, in somewhat of a Coincidence (if there is such a thing) I ended up back at the shot and discovered that I am no longer given credit for posting it. You can find me in the article's history and probably figure out that it was that picture, but . ..... is this how it is supposed to work/ i have posted many pictures on wikipedia and I figure if nothing else, I get that credit for doing it. The picture was in the Public domain, but still it was from my collection and if that is what is going to occur to any PD pic I post then I am going to pout and sulk a lot. Any thoughts? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 04:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- You uploaded that image to Wikipedia and it was then reuploaded to Wikimedia Commons, so that other Wikimedia projects can easily use that file too. The original file was then deleted. (See the log.) So now, we use a file that was uploaded by someone else than you and because you don't own copyright to that image, Wikipedia isn't required to give you any credit. If you want to avoid this the next time, upload PD files directly to Commons. Svick (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Old revisions
I just stumbled over this amusing talk page item. Seems everyone was a newbie once. The history of that talkpage is incomplete, and http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sanity has no history. Has anybody ideas where the missing revisions might be found? Paradoctor (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)- Many early revisions of pages have unfortunately been lost, for various reasons. You might like to ask User:Graham87, who I have seen importing various old revisions of pages, about it. Aiken ♫ 14:01, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Will do that, thanks. Paradoctor (talk) 18:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- The old history is at the title Sanity/Talk on the Nostalgia Wikipedia, but it does not contain the text that Larry Sanger removed, neither does the only available entry for the talk page at the Wayback Machine. When Wikipedia used UseModWiki before February 2002, old edits would be deleted from the page history to make way for newer ones. Therefore, if the flurry of edits to the sanity talk page in December 2001 had not occurred, it is quite possible that the text that Larry Sanger removed would be available. If there's a database dump from before 12 December 2001, which I highly doubt, the text might appear there as well. Graham87 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Entropy, you just got to hate it. ;) Thanks for the info, though. Paradoctor (talk) 03:29, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Where's the stub count?
Hi, I hope this is the most adequate place to ask this. Where can I find the total WP stub article count? I believe Special:Statistics used to have a "Stubs" count that differentiated actual articles from stubs and other pages. But it's not clear to me where stubs actually are in the count now. Whether they're on the "Pages" count now, or the "Content" count (which would be kinda worrisome), shouldn't there be an independent count to highlight their potential as "Content" articles? Thanks in advance, Kreachure (talk) 16:07, 13 March 2010 (UTC)- The closest you'll get is Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Statistics, according to which there are just under 1.5 million stubs. The trouble is that, as you can see, the total articles figure given there is 2.6 million - when there are really 3.2 million articles. The shortfall of 600,000 is all articles that have not yet been tagged for any WikiProject. Then there are 379,000 unassessed articles. In total, then, about a million articles have no assessment (one in three) and the assessments that have been given may be outdated. Stubs may have grown, but not had the stub rating removed. Realistically, I think we can only say with any sort of certainty that there are 1 to 2 million stubs. Dinosaur Tantrum (talk) 23:51, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Wikistress
While wikistress is entertaining, the phenomenon is real. Any resources relating to serious investigations of it? Paradoctor (talk) 17:20, 13 March 2010 (UTC)- I would check Google Scholar to see if any academic studies have been done on the topic. Ks0stm (T•C•G) 18:17, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Arrgh, I use it and Scirus all the time, and still have to be reminded. At least give me some fish protein, I really deserve it.
- Dementia aside, I am hoping for sources and cases like Grutness' other Wikipedians might recall. Paradoctor (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Um, I'm not talking about article content. Otherwise we'd have to nuke Wikipedia:GROWTH, and I don't think anybody in here wants that. ;) Paradoctor (talk) 18:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if this is that right place to ask…
I tried to make an account made purely out of numbers, and it didn't let me do so. Is there a specific reason to not be able to? Would I be able to make a random username and get a username change, so someone else can (possibly) deem it acceptable? If not, thank you anyway. -99.255.188.158 (talk) 02:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)- Are you sure the username wasn't already taken? What error message did you see? --Cybercobra (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Login error The name "31" is not allowed to prevent confusing or spoofed usernames: Does not contain any letters. Please choose another name.
- Would it be the shortness of the name that would be causing this? I haven't checked a longer numerical name because the error message didn't say anything about length. -99.255.188.158 (talk) 02:57, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- You have to have something that's not a number, to avoid the username being confused with an IP address, hence "Does not contain any letters". OrangeDog (τ • ε) 12:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I understand that, but would I be able to get a username change to a solid number, which wouldn't look like an IP address? -99.255.188.158 (talk) 17:10, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- You have to have something that's not a number, to avoid the username being confused with an IP address, hence "Does not contain any letters". OrangeDog (τ • ε) 12:35, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Unknown airport in China
Hello!Can somebody help with identifying this airport in China? I forgot where this was. Thanks! --High Contrast (talk) 08:14, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- Try a project, like Wikipedia:Aviation or Wikipedia:China Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Help needed explaining WP policies
On Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burzese family goats the author of the article doesn't understand why WP policies would fobid an article on his family goatherd. It is a notable goatherd, going back over 200 years, but it is not documented in reliable sources. Thanks if anyone can help. Kitfoxxe (talk) 21:37, 14 March 2010 (UTC)- It looks like the AfD will default to keep. Well they are cool goats. :-) Kitfoxxe (talk) 08:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Buscando familiares em Tarauaca
Boa tarde queridos acreanos. Em 1960 eu sai de Tarauaca, Acre minha cidade de nascimento para Porto Velho, RO, Brasil. Em 1986 deixei meu pais querido para viver em estados unidos. Estou indo ao Brasil por duas semanas agora em abril. tenho familia da parte de meu pai - familia PENHA e da parte de minha mae - familia VANDELEI ou WANDERLEI/WANDERLEY. Gostaria de saber se ha possibilidade de encontrar alguem das duas familias ou pelo menos de uma delas. Adoraria encontrar minha madrina de batismo - CHAGUINHA a qual tinha uma loja de roupas no centro comercial de Tarauaca. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.36.113 (talk) 23:01, 14 March 2010 (UTC)Translation: Good afternoon. In 1960 I left Tarauaca, Acre, city of my birth to Porto Velho, RO, Brazil. In 1986 I left my parents wanted to live in the United States. I am going to Brazil for two weeks now in April. I have family from my father - family PENHA and part of my mother - or family VANDELÔ WANDERLEI / WANDERLEY. I wonder if there is any possibility of finding someone of the two families or at least one of them. I would love to find my madrina of baptism - Chaguinha which had a clothing store in downtown Tarauaca.
- This isn't the place to ask, Wikipedia:Reference desk might be better, though I doubt Wikipedia will be able to help you.
- Este não é o lugar certo para perguntar, Wikipedia:Reference desk poderia ser melhor, embora eu duvide Wikipédia será capaz de ajudá-lo. OrangeDog (τ • ε) 22:49, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Why on earth does Surrealism in the United States redirect to this?
It's very misleading, and not at all what one would expect. The page it points to, Franklin Rosemont, is about an individual who seems to be a modern surrealistic poet. Can the very broad article title "Surrealism in the United States", which really should mean something else entirely, please be disentangled from the article about Mr. Rosemont? Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 00:25, 15 March 2010 (UTC)- I also note that Surrealist Movement in the United States redirects to the Chicago Surrealist Group, founded by the same Mr. Rosemont, which is a single small group in Chicago dating to 1966 and probably does not encompass all that is the US surrealist movement. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 00:28, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- That gave me a chuckle. Maurreen (talk) 00:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Ha, funny. But oddly enough, I don't know how to fix this. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 01:06, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- At first, I thought "to this" meant Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous), and I wondered: Why should that be inappropriate? Paradoctor (talk) 01:08, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I would suggest that this get taken up at WT:WikiProject Visual arts (a guess based on the tag here). As far as I can tell, haiving little knowledge of the subject matter, there isn't any regional-specific information on the movements at this point to justify having links for the "in the US" titles. My first guess would be to delete them or redirect them to Surrealism. —Akrabbimtalk 04:29, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've done just that. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 13:24, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Finding all content made by one user in an article?
Finding all content made by one user in an article? Septagram (talk) 00:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)Create a "userpage-in-a-box"?
I just had an odd thought about User Pages, and possibly, a way to increase use of them. What if someone (I) were to make a "userpage-in-a-box", that could be copied onto another user's page via subst: templates, and would be complete with tabs, subpages, etc., much like User:Example's. Would this be a violation of some policy? Do y'all even think it would be practical? Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)- Do most editors find the need for tabbed subpages? I for one never have. --Cybercobra (talk) 23:05, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, It's supposed to be an aesthetic thing. It's not a real tab system, just some fancy links. I envisioned it as a nice-looking User Page for the "wikichallenged". But anyway, it's supposed to work like this:
- 1. The user puts the install template on their main userpage.
- 2. That template has links to create new subpages with the desired content.
- 3. The user changes the main page to what it's supposed to be.
- 4. The user fills in the content, and removes the "Under Construction" templates.
- Something like that. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 23:33, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think new users routinely use/need user subpages. --Cybercobra (talk) 23:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, not nessecarily new users. Perhaps those who just aren't that good at advanced wiki formatting, or those who just don't have the time to make one. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 23:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I doubt there'd be any policy violation; you're free to be bold and make the template. I just personally don't think it would be used much; but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Best of luck. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Mmkay. Is there any sort of script / template repository that I could drop it when I finish? Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 04:08, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- I doubt there'd be any policy violation; you're free to be bold and make the template. I just personally don't think it would be used much; but hey, maybe I'm wrong. Best of luck. --Cybercobra (talk) 00:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, not nessecarily new users. Perhaps those who just aren't that good at advanced wiki formatting, or those who just don't have the time to make one. Hmmwhatsthisdo (talk) 23:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- I don't think new users routinely use/need user subpages. --Cybercobra (talk) 23:43, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, It's supposed to be an aesthetic thing. It's not a real tab system, just some fancy links. I envisioned it as a nice-looking User Page for the "wikichallenged". But anyway, it's supposed to work like this:
List of newspapers by date
I am not entirely happy with the article's name. What do you think, does one of the following names (or any other) fit better?- List of newspapers by establishment date
- List of newspapers by founding date
- List of the earliest newspapers
- In one sense I prefer the last because it is the shortest. However, it is also ambiguous (earliest in the morning?) so you might want to change it to "oldest". Also, I think it would make sense to significantly restrict the list criteria so that it does not include every newspaper ever published. As a reader, I would like to see a list of the earliest established newspapers along with the newspapers that have been published the longest. Thanks.—RJH (talk) 14:40, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Image size
I have a question about downloads of wikipedia articles with many images. Do you know if the entirety of each image is delivered during the download, then reduced in size? Or is the server sending a lean, scaled down version of each image? If the former, would it make sense (for download performance reasons) to display a thumbnail version of each image then link it to the main image? I know there are some image-rich pages that are quite slow to download, even with a high bandwidth pipe. Thanks.—RJH (talk) 14:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)- It does the latter, using Imagemagick or similar I presume. --Cybercobra (talk) 14:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- "some image-rich pages that are quite slow to download": "Download" or "load"? The latter depends on your computer, browser, and setup. Can you give us a few examples of particularly slow pages? Paradoctor (talk) 14:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Infobox for craters
{{Infobox lake}} was recently deleted (per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2010 March 7#Template:Infobox crater). Given that we have templates for impact craters on the Moon, Mars and Venus; and for terrestrial features like mountains, caves and lakes, but no generic "Geographical feature" infobox (see Category:Geography infobox templates), what infobox template should be used on articles about terrestrial impact craters, such as Strangways crater? What about on articles about other kinds of terrestrial crater? Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 16:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)- I think you made a typo - {{infobox crater}} was deleted by the TLD. {{Infobox lake}} is alive and well. Ikluft (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- The subject of the TLD dealt with the confusion of unqualified use of the term "crater", since it isn't specific to Earth/Moon/Venus/Mars/etc, nor to the geologic process that caused it whether by impacts, nuclear explosions, volcanoes, sinkholes or others that were proposed in that template. See the CFD for mass renaming of categories like "Craters of..." to "Impact craters of..." for info on what editors have been doing to reduce confusion over the unqualified use of the term "crater". Even for terrestrial impacts, it's a problem to label them as craters because most of them are so eroded that the crater isn't visible any more. Up until 50 years ago, most scientists didn't believe there were any craters on Earth because erosion made them so difficult to see. So most are considered impact structures. Suggestion: a "terrestrial impact structure" may be more along the lines of the term you're looking for. Ikluft (talk) 22:01, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
- BTW, I created the navbox {{Impact cratering on Earth}}. I'm willing to help make an infobox for terrestrial impact structures. We first had to settle the issue over the confusion that {{Infobox crater}} would have caused. Ikluft (talk) 22:14, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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