Wikipedia:MediaWiki messages

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Here we discuss and announce discussions about MediaWiki interface messages
If you have started a discussion on a talk page of a MediaWiki message, then you can announce that here to bring more people to the discussion.

Some MediaWiki messages have their own central discussion pages:

See also:

A quick way to find which interface message inserts some text is to search MediaWiki space with some of the text you see in the message. Note that this search only finds messages that have been created, that don't use the default text. <inputbox> type = fulltext searchbuttonlabel = Search MediaWiki messages namespaces = MediaWiki**,MediaWiki_talk** </inputbox> This search as a separate page.

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MediaWiki:1movedto2

A discussion at MediaWiki talk:1movedto2#Delete? on whether to delete this and two other MediaWiki messages which are now identical to the default message. --Dinoguy1000 (talk<dot-separator> contribs) as 208.124.86.54 (talk) 01:45, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Since this discussion now concerns many messages, I moved the discussion here. --David Göthberg (talk) 10:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
According to Special:Allmessages, the default message is now identical to the current text of this system message (the same is also true for MediaWiki:1movedto2 redir and MediaWiki:Aboutpage). I recall hearing that performance is slightly improved if the local MediaWiki message is deleted (or remains uncreated) in these cases, and therefore I'm wondering if these messages shouldn't just be deleted. Thoughts? --Dinoguy1000 (talk<dot-separator> contribs) as 208.124.86.54 (talk) 01:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

There is also MediaWiki:Allmessages, MediaWiki:Anonymous, MediaWiki:Badfilename, and MediaWiki:Badipaddress. Anyone care to run an automated sweep for these messages and list them all, if it's possible? --Dinoguy1000 (talk<dot-separator> contribs) as 208.124.86.54 (talk) 01:52, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
End of messages moved here from MediaWiki talk:1movedto2. --David Göthberg (talk) 10:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
Dinoguy1000: I hope you don't mind I moved the discussion here? Whatever our conclusion will be it would be nice to have it visible here.
Finding the duplicates is easy, even by hand. At Special:Allmessages I clicked the option to only see the modified messages, and there are only about 785 of them. I can load them 250 a time without problems even on my slow computer. So I can look through them fairly easily. And I could right click them to open them and delete them at the same time I go through the list, so no need to first list them here.
But deleting those messages means we hide the edit histories of those messages, which might be a bad thing. And it also means they become harder to find, since they can't be searched for using the MediaWiki search. But if it costs less to run them, then it might be worth it. I think we need feedback from someone that knows more about this. I will ask around.
I took a look, it seems that all of those cases are short messages. So my guess is that it isn't much of a performance issue to keep them.
--David Göthberg (talk) 10:15, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
If there really is an improvement in performance to be gained, we can discuss this but we should find put if this really is the case, before we start discussing this. I see no point in deleting them if there is nothing to be gained from it. Regards SoWhy 19:30, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
I ask this because I recall that various accesskey messages were at one time created and then later deleted because they were identical to their defaults and because there was a slight performance hit from them existing. I don't, however, know if there was any type of discussion on it at the time or if it is still an issue. (and David, no, I don't mind that you moved the discussion here; I considered starting it here and I guess I should have =) ) --Dinoguy1000 (talk<dot-separator> contribs) as 72.251.164.58 (talk) 01:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
The problem with system messages equivalent to the default is that they don't update when they change. If for whatever reason it's believed that it's good to change the message MediaWiki:1movedto2 in the software, here on Wikipedia the message doesn't update because there's a message on top of it. You might say that this specific message doesn't need updating, but I say we don't know that for sure. The software or the context in which the message is used can change, as we don't know what the future will give us. For example, if the context in which a system message is used changes, then an outdated message might be misleading. I see the point in keeping the edit history and I would have a solution for this. Instead of simply deleting the message, the history could be moved to MediaWiki:Foo/hist, i.e. MediaWiki:1movedto2/hist, so that it can still be referred to it, but the actual message is open for any changes (of course with redirect suppressed on). It could then furthermore be linked in {{Interface explanation}}. --The Evil IP address (talk) 16:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
The Evil IP address: Oh, good thinking, I agree. So now we have a good clear reason why it is good to "delete" all MediaWiki messages that are identical to the default.
And you are also right that it would be nice to have access to the edit history. But for performance reasons I suggest we instead move those messages to a subpage under their talkpage. Since the servers keep all the MediaWiki messages in RAM all the time, while the "MediaWiki talk" pages are cached on disk as usual. So I suggest we move MediaWiki:1movedto2 to MediaWiki talk:1movedto2/hist.
The subpage name should be standardised so as you suggest we can auto-link to it from {{interface explanation}}. I like your suggested name "/hist", but other suggestions are of course welcome. I will also make it so the namespace notices for MediaWiki and MediaWiki talk space detects and auto-links to such /hist pages.
Another benefit of this is that the content of those messages still will be searchable with the Wikipedia search! (The search box at the top of this page already searches MediaWiki talk space.) Searching that way is often the easiest way to find which message is handling some interface text, since Special:AllMessages is to clumsy.
This gave me an idea: We should perhaps have a bot also create such talkpage "/hist" copies for all the default messages that haven't been created yet. Thus enabling us to search for all the messages! That would be very convenient. The bot should perhaps do a new run every now and then to check if any of the default messages have been changed to a new default. I mean changed in the software, not by edits here.
We should think about this for a while before we go ahead. Since there are some tricky parts, like what should we do with the /hist page if the message is created?
--David Göthberg (talk) 19:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
We must also consider how to handle messages which have been created in the past, but were later deleted. Unfortunately, the deletion log (as well as all the other logs) doesn't allow for narrowing results based on namespace, so there doesn't seem to be any easy way to pull a list of such deletions on-wiki, but someone with a toolserver account could probably do it. --Dinoguy1000 (talk<dot-separator> contribs) as 67.58.229.153 (talk) 18:26, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Change one link in Other Statistics

I suggested this at MediaWiki talk:Statistics-footer#Change one link in Other Statistics before I knew about this page: The page linked to by Most accessed pages this month hasn't been updated in months. Trends on English Wikipedia seems to at least be maintained however, so I think that we should replace the wikistics link (on MediaWiki:Statistics-footer).
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 20:54, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

FYI: User:Davidgothberg replied once, and I replied to him, at MediaWiki talk:Statistics-footer#Change one link in Other Statistics. Since David is on "sick-leave" the discussion has stalled, so if you're willing I'd appreciate it if you'd come and read the discussion. Thanks!
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 06:51, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete messages?

I would like to know if some of these messages are still in use, since their last edit were a long time ago and I didn't found them at translatewiki for translation: Thank you! Helder (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Nope. Happy‑melon 18:02, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext

Note: Following a VPT discussion (Wikipedia:VPT#Make_it_easier_to_submit_edit_requests) on 25 March 2010 MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext was changed to give users a button to click to make edit requests. If this leads to a large increase in requests, especially if many are frivolous or vandalism, please discuss possible changes to MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext at Wikipedia:VPT, and announce here. Rd232 talk 11:18, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
An interesting idea. You might want to add something similar to MediaWiki:Protectedinterface, because a different message is used for the MediaWiki namespace. --The Evil IP address (talk) 15:09, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Possibly. I'd think that anyone finding a MediaWiki message would know to follow the instructions and do it manually. Rd232 talk 15:19, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
I think there should be a separate message for the MediaWiki namespace, because current one looks strange—it speaks about protection, although page in the MediaWiki namespace are not protected. Ruslik_Zero 20:31, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Pages in the MediaWiki namespaces are protected, it's just that this is automatic rather than manual as for all the other namespaces. Thryduulf (talk) 23:32, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
They are not protected because require a special 'editinterface' right to edit. $1 also does assume 'protect' value on MediaWiki pages. Ruslik_Zero 20:07, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Viewsource

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#MediaWiki:Viewsource. Rd232 talk 07:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Login end

Recently the login page was changed. This does not seem like the right location to me. I think it belongs on the register page, which is handled by MediaWiki:Signupend. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Feel free to fix it. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I have changed it a few minutes ago. It was already added [1] to signupend. Cenarium (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps we should do some cleanup to that page in general. It is one big mess, because not only does it display MediaWiki:Signupend, there is also MediaWiki:Fancycaptcha-createaccount which is displayed before the field and takes almost a full page scroll to get past. Seeing how effective the line: "don't use the name of any organization you're associated with" is, I have serious doubts about the effectiveness of this torrent of "frighting" information we direct at new users. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:01, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I agree, there's been some arguments against making it that big at the time, and it hadn't much impact on promotional usernames. In particular, I think the box on the username policy is too big and not that useful, we could at least move it to MediaWiki:Signupend. Cenarium (talk) 21:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

BLP PROD "Ad" in MediaWiki:Newpages-summary

Over at WP:BLPPROD we discussed that it would be nice to have a little advertisement for BLP PROD in a place where new page patrollers will be sure to see it, like MediaWiki:Newpages-summary. I was thinking something like:

Note: Unsourced biographies of living people created after 18 March 2010 can be proposed for deletion using a new "sticky prod" process. Add {{subst:prod blp}} to the top of the article to nominate it.

Gigs (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe mention the Twinkle option as well or even instead, given the emphasis in prior discussion on notifying creators, which Twinkle does automatically (I think). Rd232 talk 13:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Feel free to modify my wording directly above. I won't consider it refactoring. Gigs (talk) 15:16, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Note: Unsourced biographies of living people created after 18 March 2010 can be proposed for deletion using a new "sticky prod" process. Using Twinkle is recommended for this; or see Template:Prod blp for instructions for manual tagging.
How about this? Trying to keep it short and sweet, and I feel manual taggers should at least look at the template instructions once. Let's get this note going. Rd232 talk 16:02, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
You've got the bit, go for it. If someone screams we can fix it. Gigs (talk) 17:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done Rd232 talk 19:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

search page

It transpires that MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new is not shown to loggedout users at the top of search results (presumably because they can't create pages). It would actually be reasonable to show MediaWiki:Searchmenu-new (providing the redlink, and a link to Help:Searching) to everyone. They can see immediately from the link colour whether the page exists. When loggedout users click on the redlink, they would see MediaWiki:Nocreatetext. This is actually better, being an opportunity to suggest creating an account, etc. Rd232 talk 14:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
This requires a bugzilla ticket, because this is defined in the software

} elseif( $t->userCan( 'create' ) ) {
                                $messageName = 'searchmenu-new';
                        }
—TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:56, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Do we agree it's a good idea? If so, would someone do it? Rd232 talk 15:11, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
As a note, we can display a specific message, MediaWiki:Noarticletext-nopermission, to users who don't have permission to create pages, for now it returns MediaWiki:Noarticletext. Cenarium (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I thought MediaWiki:Nocreatetext was the equivalent of Noarticletext for those without permission to create? Rd232 talk 21:39, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
This is (roughly) how the messages are displayed:
  1. when registered, viewed with no action: MediaWiki:Noarticletext
  2. when registered, viewed with action=edit: MediaWiki:Newarticletext
  3. when unregistered, viewed with no action: MediaWiki:Noarticletext-nopermission
  4. when unregistered, viewed with action=edit: MediaWiki:Nocreatetext
Cenarium (talk) 22:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Not too long ago it was shown to unregistered users, we had a long discussion on adding the help link. So it's a recent configuration change. Cenarium (talk) 05:09, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
And the change occurred on 9 April. Cenarium (talk) 05:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, the deploy of MediaWiki 1.16
OK. What do you mean "roughly"? This should be documented somewhere... And the relevant message talk pages should be updated if necessary, using {{interface explanation}}. But does any of this matter for the issue kicking off the section? It only affects what unregistered users see when clicking on a redlink - but the redlink from the search page is gone for them. Do we want it back? Rd232 talk 06:14, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll write a patch to add searchmenu-new-nocreate to the software. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
See patch in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20976. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:56, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Newpages-summary

I've drafted a revision of MediaWiki:Newpages-summary, here: User:Rd232/newpages-summary. The discussion motivating it is Wikipedia:Village pump (development)#Save_and_Publish_Features. Rd232 talk 10:28, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Clearer design for MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext

Three weeks ago Rd232 implemented a new design for MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext, to make it easier to submit edit requests. Although Rd232's proposal is a success, using a table makes it cluttered. I'd like to suggest a clearer design, here is a draft: User:Dodoïste/Sandbox. I tried to make it look clearer by removing every unnecessary detail, so the eye would not be disturbed.

What are your thoughs about it? Should we adopt this design? Yours, Dodoïste (talk) 23:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

The current design is, despite looking good, indeed a bit heavy on the eyes. Your change looks good, but please change the {{Ambox}} to an {{Mbox}}, because it's not solely used on articles, but mostly on template pages. There might be more which has to be updated from the message. --The Evil IP address (talk) 14:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, my draft is only meant to show the result, and is not entirely functional. It took my a while to understand the long and complex parser functions.
Anyway, the final version is ready in User:Dodoïste/Sandbox2. You just need to copy-paste its content in MediaWiki:Protectedpagetext. You can check the difference between the two versions: I didn't change the text nor the parser functions, only the layout. Yours, Dodoïste (talk) 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done by MSGJ. Dodoïste (talk) 11:58, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Revertpage and Revertpage-nouser

It might be considerable to apply some changes to MediaWiki:Revertpage (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) and/or MediaWiki:Revertpage-nouser (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs). Currently, the messages say "Reverted edits by $2 (talk) to last version by $1" for Revertpage and "Reverted edits by (username removed) to last revision by $1". Revertpage's default content is "Reverted edits by $2 (talk) to last revision by $1" (differences being the link on "Reverted", version instead of revision and no link for the user of the last good version), whereas Revertpage-nouser uses the default. To make it consistent, one would have to edit it saying "Reverted edits by (username removed) to last version by $1". However, when being at it, it might also be good to see if it's actually good like this and if more possible changes could be made.

Looking at the differences, the link is certainly helpful for explanatation what this actually is, and the supressed user page link of the last "good" user should also remain, as this link is rather useless and in several cases a red one, which gives a reader nothing. However, I'm wondering about the wording change: Is there some reason why "revision" doesn't fit here? If so, is it for a reason that only applies here or is it a reason that applies to other wikis, too? In this case, the default message should be updated to reflect this. Another thing that I'm unsure about is the "Reverted edits by (username removed)" within "Revertpage-nouser": Not only that it's pretty sloppy, it also gives a wrong impression about what's possible with oversight. There's no way to only suppress the username in a summary, only the whole summary can be removed. I would thus simply shorten it to "Reverted to last revision/version by $1", because you can just as easily see what the user did. Another option would be "Reverted edits by an account with inappropriate name to last revision by $1", but this wording is extremely long.

What do you think of this? Please let me know, --The Evil IP address (talk) 13:53, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Labels

MediaWiki talk:Cite references link many format backlink labels. Kubek15 write/sign 16:01, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
I reverted your removal of the redirect, as that talk page is probably not watched by many editors and redirects to a centralized talk page that is more monitored. You already asked this question at Help talk:Cite errors#not enough backlink labels and someplace else. List of allied military operations of the Vietnam War uses 1043 instances of the same named reference; for many registered editors, that page will never load unless they log out, and it still takes a long time and that many backlinks are ugly and useless. You either need to split the article or use an alternative reference system such as {{scref}} / {{scnote}}. The {{scref}} / {{scnote}} has some issues, but it will get you past this problem. I am working on some alternatives, but it will be a while before anything might be implemented. There are more issues with the article, such as {{reflist}} being stuffed in a scroll box in violation of MOS:SCROLL. The other 581 reference probably slow it down as well. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) talk 16:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki_talk:Viewsource#Change_View_Source_to_Edit_This_Page

MediaWiki talk:Viewsource#Change_View_Source_to_Edit_This_Page. Self-explanatory in aim; follow the link for detailed explanation of why. Rd232 talk 11:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Related article suggestions

When you edit an article in Uncyclopedia you get a message that says "Thanks for your edit. You might want to check out these vaguely/somewhat related/random articles: ___, ___, ___." I don't know if these are always the same (it's a joke) or are really pages related to the one you edited. I think this feature should be added to wikipedia because if you edited a page you are likely to have something to add to related pages.

I don't know if this belongs here or not, if it doesn't, please move it and tell me. --George (talk) 01:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Clearyourcache, be more intuitive!

In MediaWiki:Clearyourcache, There is no information regarding Google Chrome. According to Usage share of web browsers, Google Chrome has now around 7-8% of the market share, which is more than Opera or Safari. Plus, the link "bypass your browser's cache" is misleading: it would mean that once one click on this link the browser's cache is be cleared. And it does not indicate that we can find details and informations about other browsers. I suggest the following text instead:
Note: After saving, you have to bypass your browser's cache to see the changes. Internet Explorer: hold down the Ctrl key and click the Refresh or Reload button. Firefox: hold down the Shift key while clicking Reload (or press Ctrl-Shift-R). Konqueror and Safari users can just click the Reload button. For details and instructions about other browsers, see Wikipedia:Bypass your cache.
Instructions for Chrome and Opera are long and complicated, it's necessary to read Wikipedia:Bypass your cache anyway. In order to keep the message short I suggest to remove instructions for Opera. Yours, Dodoïste (talk) 16:57, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done by MSGJ at MediaWiki talk:Clearyourcache. Dodoïste (talk) 13:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion on email help

In the MediaWiki message regarding a requested password, I was thinking that "If someone else made this request, or if you have remembered your password and you no longer wish to change it, you may safely ignore this message. Your old/existing password will continue to work despite this new password being created for you" this phrase be bolded for clarity? I had a little email request I did not make earlier today and I think if that were bolded it'd help clarify the message perplexed users. Thanks, —Tommy2010 21:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Rev-deleted-comment

See MediaWiki talk:Rev-deleted-comment for a discussion on whether to change "(comment removed)" to "(edit summary removed)". Please'Stand (talk) 06:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done by Happy-melon. Please'Stand (talk) 18:54, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Interwiki stars are not shown

See MediaWiki talk:Vector.css#Interwiki_stars_are_not_shown. --Kildor (talk) 21:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

"In to"

Arguably, the following eight messages incorrectly use "in to" rather than "into": Please'Stand (talk) 19:14, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
  • I think the use of "in to" is correct. "log in" is a Phrasal verb, and "to" is a preposition after it. Ruslik_Zero 19:30, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Tag: references removed

Please see MediaWiki talk:Tag-references removed-description. 167.107.191.217 (talk) 13:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Viewprevnext

As reported on the pump, on contributions pages (and history pages) there are two visible spaces between “newer 50” and “|”. This is because MediaWiki:Pipe-separator contains &nbsp; that's not there on default and MediaWiki:Viewprevnext puts another space before it. I think the spaces from MediaWiki:Viewprevnext should be removed: View ($1{{int:pipe-separator}}$2) ($3) Svick (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done Ruslik_Zero 15:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Svick (talk) 16:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
As the person who first happened to notice that, let me express my thanks too. --Theurgist (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Newpages-summary

Added edit request to [[2]] Gerardw (talk) 16:38, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Rdcheck link to WhatLinksHere

I think it would be useful if we added the rdcheck tool to MediaWiki:Linkshere. An example of what it does at http://toolserver.org/~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py/BioShock. — Dispenser 17:14, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done Ruslik_Zero 15:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Could you change the code to [[tools:~dispenser/cgi-bin/rdcheck.py/$1|Show redirects only]] since as it works with & in the title? — Dispenser 17:05, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
link=Y Done Ruslik_Zero 18:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Obsolete "Take me back" on top

Following this message on Wikitech-l, I think it would be a good thing to remove (quite obsolete now) "Take me back" link on the top. I suspect the only reason it's still there is because of other Wikimedia projects that switched recently or are about to switch, and the developers can only remove it once all projects are switched. Note that "New features" link would still be there and switching back would simply require 3 mouse clicks instead of 2. — AlexSm 20:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Ordering of Greek polytonic characters in edit tools

I've proposed a different ordering of the Greek polytonic characters in the edit tools at MediaWiki talk:Edittools#Ordering of Greek polytonic characters.  --Lambiam 07:39, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Separating transcludes on edit window for clarity

I was thinking to make the edit window clearer to new users, we could visually separate the transcludes and hidden templates at the bottom of it by adding a heading just before them e.g. something like

Technical page information

pages transluded onto current version of page ...

I've had a search around but as far as I can see adding to the end of MediaWiki:Edittools should do the job, but there may be a better location? Like the top of MediaWiki:Templatesused... Lee∴V (talk • contribs) 23:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

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